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Saturday, 11 December 2010

Drawing a line.

I've made no secret that I'm not the biggest fan of Chuckles FcKnuckles, his over priced biscuits, and his loopy beliefs, or that in principle I'm a republican (small "r"). I think the guy is an over-priviliged tool. But this is out of order:



Well done, protest drones and other useful idiots. You've brought out sympathy in me for a guy I have held in contempt probably for far longer than many of you. You stupid, stupid twats.

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I've just been to read a few. Oh, good grief.
I have little doubt that the spooky people who decided on the cars route knew exactly where the protesters were, their mood and their methods. My view is that they deliberately sent Chas and Camilla into peril to garner anti-student sentiment in the event of harm coming to them.
1-1 draw I'd say.
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I normally go with Hanlon's Razor as often as Occam's. No need to go looking for conspiracy when plain old stupidity and incompetence is sufficient to explain so much of what is observed. In this case even that might be a little harsh on the protection people looking after His Royal Earness. He and his missus live in Clarence House, I believe? And reports say they it happened in Regent Street as they were going to the London Palladium. Drawing a line from Clarence House to the Palladium it's not easy to avoid Regent Street altogether without going a ridiculously long way out of the way, and I imagine with riots going on the protection team wouldn't want that because if you make the journey long enough then eventually you're bound to run into trouble. Could be that they were just unlucky yesterday.
I really can't see anyone putting the Royal Protection officers into a situation where they may well have to shoot someone - they know that, when the mask came off and it turned out to be someone's idiot son (I'm looking at YOU, David Gilmour!) just 'caught up in the moment', the headlines would be damning, no matter how righteous the shoot...
Indeed, stupid explains much (on both sides). The authorities, by now though must have quite extensive intelligence (SB / MI5 / Police specialist units) in place and after the Millbank debacle if I were in their shoes I'd be looking to tag at least the ring leaders and overly enthusiastic hangers on. If you forcefully break from the agreed route then expect some consequences and possibly to get your ass kicked by a bunch of burly coppers... Regent Street is well off route I don't know enough about events on the ground to offer an analysis but I suspect that inadequate mobile resources were in place to contain a breakout.

Back in Thatcher's miners strike they used tiered tactics to control the miners movements, ditto with travellers in the 80s - now they seem to be playing orchestrated confrontation and escalation coupled to perception management on an epic scale. The veiled threat of gunplay from the Met does nothing at all to depressurise the situation, quite the opposite.

Only now, ie later is the actual sequence of events becoming a bit clearer, and then only by comparing detail in different emotive reports.

Very handy though, PR wise a problem is an opportunity in disguise.

Mark Wallace http://www.crashbangwallace.com/2010/12/10/six-le...
does a fair job of nailing it and his Point 6 is one that I concur with. The Met have itchy trigger fingers.
Good points, though I'm going to play a little Devil's Advocate with one of them: the Met's veiled threat of gunplay. Couldn't it be argued that it's fairly common knowledge that wherever His Royal Whyness goes armed police officers whose primary duty it is to protect him go also? And if this is so could it not also be argued that any violent acts against him or his missus may result in guns being drawn and used, and that this ought to be foreseeable by any reasonably intelligent person? If the answers to both those questions are yes then either there's some truth in the old maxim that the intelligence of a mob is that of its least intelligent member divided by the number of people in it, or the level of thinking ability needed to get into university really has dropped like a fucking anchor. :D

Not that I'm defending the Met here as such, but that the Charles and Camilla incident didn't become another Tomlinson incident or de Menezes incident suggests either the force has learned some lessons or (perhaps more likely IMO ) the officers picked for Royal protection duty are better judges of when it's necessary to pull the trigger on someone than the anti-terrorist lot.
I suppose I should have expanded a bit more on the Met and guns. It has been my direct experience at the American Embassy that armed Met officers are breaking several firearms safety rules. Guns level and pointing towards members of the public with their fingers at the trigger I always thought was a no-no. Army acquaintances of mine have been quite scathing about UK plod and guns.

The MP5 armed nightclub bouncer swagger affected by several of them when dealing with people who were quietly and politely queuing in an orderly fashion got my back up too.

The contrast between the US Marines and these dangerous buffoons couldn't have been starker.

As other folk have said and it's worth repeating - the plods are swept up in the adrenaline rush of the disturbances just as much as the protesters and I suspect that it's only a matter of time before some berk pulls a trigger - on auto that'd probably be Stockwell * 10.
I didn't think my contempt for these protesters could get any worse, but that helps
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Quite. It gives me a kind of cognitive dissonance where on the one hand I loath the politicians that the protestors oppose and have no time at all for the Prince of Fails, but on the other my piss boils mightily at the sight of thousands of whiny students claiming they have a right to have others relieved of their earnings by the State to pay for something the students expect to make money out of themselves in the long run.

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