Spencer Lawton, the retired prosecutor in the case, told CNN: “There is the legal case, the case in court, and the public relations case. We have consistently won the case as it has been presented in court. We have consistently lost the case as it has been presented in the public realm, on TV and elsewhere."Maybe that's because with no physical evidence and questionably eyewitness testimony many people can't figure out why you've won in court. In the original trial when you had all those eyewitnesses, fair enough, but there's a huge question mark over that evidence now. There's no statute of limitations on murder, yet Davis' team was told it was too late to consider these things now. It's too late to take a polygraph test as well. At the same time he's told that he can't have a retrial 'on the grounds that he had failed to "prove his innocence"'. Well, hey, of course he's failed to prove his innocence, of course the prosecution won in court. You'll always fail to prove your innocence and the prosecution will always win if courts simply decide not to look at contradictory evidence.
What worries me is that even a prison sentence is supposed to be handed down only when the case is proven beyond reasonable doubt - better that ten guilty men go free than an innocent is deprived of liberty, and all that - and surely even more so if a death sentence is on the cards. In Troy Davis' case is there enough to be sure beyond reasonable doubt that he should have been in prison, much less put to death?
The answer is necessarily subjective. Those involved in the prosecution think so, but they are advocates for an adversarial legal system and I'd be disappointed if they didn't. It's their job. The MacPhails, the family of the off duty officer who was murdered think so, but twenty years ago they were promised closure and it's been a long wait - I can't honestly say for sure that in the same position I'd want to believe anything else myself. But objectively it seems as if there is effectively no reliable evidence anymore, and even at the point where he'd have been certain that he was about to be killed anyway and owning up to the murder couldn't do him any more harm, Troy Davis maintained his innocence. Maybe he was lying to the very end, maybe not - who really knows? And that's kind of the point.
Oh well, men have hanged with less against them than that.
Gary K. · 704 weeks ago
It’s nearly impossible to receive a death sentence these days — unless you do something completely crazy like shoot a cop in full view of dozens of witnesses in a Burger King parking lot.
That’s what Troy Davis? did in August 1989. Davis is the media’s current baby seal of death row.
Angry_Exile 90p · 704 weeks ago
However, in this instance the question is of guilt proven beyond reasonable doubt. Personally I'm an abolitionist for other reasons (in short I don't trust governments not to abuse the power and waste a few people they'd rather not have around - they abuse so many other powers anyway so what's to stop them) but I've done that to death elsewhere, no pun intended. All I wanted to look at here was the question of reasonable doubt, and if he'd been sentenced to life or any other sentence the question would still be a valid one. If half of what has been reported is accurate then I'd have reasonable doubt - the lack of physical evidence alone is worrying.
Gary K. · 704 weeks ago
It’s true that the bulk of the evidence against Davis was eyewitness testimony. That tends to happen when you shoot someone in a busy Burger King parking lot.
Eyewitness testimony, like all evidence tending to show guilt, has gotten a bad name recently, but the “eyewitness” testimony in this case did not consist simply of strangers trying to distinguish one tall black man from another. For one thing, several of the eyewitnesses knew Davis personally.
Angry_Exile 90p · 704 weeks ago
Incidentally, I'm not saying eyewitness testimony has no purpose. Cops must love it since it gives them a name to focus their investigation on, and certainly it's got evidentiary value and must be nice to have to back up physical evidence. Taking the place of physical evidence? That's something else.
Gary K. · 704 weeks ago
Two tall, young black men were harassing a vagrant in the Burger King parking lot, one in a yellow shirt and the other in a white Batman shirt. The one in the white shirt used a brown revolver to pistol-whip the vagrant. When a cop yelled at them to stop, the man in the white shirt ran, then wheeled around and shot the cop, walked over to his body and shot him again, smiling.
Now the media claim that seven of the nine witnesses against Davis at trial have recanted.
First of all, the state presented 34 witnesses against Davis — not nine — which should give you some idea of how punctilious the media are about their facts in death penalty cases.
Angry_Exile 90p · 704 weeks ago
The media, who I don't hesitate to bag when they deserve it (which is fairly often) have largely distinguished between vanilla witnesses and the nine key witnesses, without whose testimony a conviction seems rather unlikely given the lack of physical evidence. Personally if I was on a jury, especially if it were a capital case, I'd be extremely reluctant to convict without physical evidence since it's not that hard to get a few people to line up and say the same thing. I've been a prosecution witness and felt the pressure to help justice 'be done'.
Gary K. · 704 weeks ago
Only two of the seven alleged “recantations” (out of 34 witnesses) actually recanted anything of value — and those two affidavits were discounted by the court because Davis refused to allow the affiants to testify at the post-trial evidentiary hearing, even though one was seated right outside the courtroom, waiting to appear.
Angry_Exile 90p · 704 weeks ago
That only two out of the seven recantations was considered of value seems at first sight something of a contradiction. If valueless then why was their testimony at trial not also valueless? Conversely if their evidence was sufficiently important for them to be considered key witnesses their what makes the recanting of that evidence irrelevant? I'll have a google later if I get a chance (other things on my plate) to find out more, and also about the two whose affidavits were disallowed.
Gary K. · 704 weeks ago
With death penalty opponents so fixated on Davis’ race — he’s black — it ought to be noted that all the above witnesses are themselves African-American. The first man Davis shot in the car that night was African-American.
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There’s a reason more than a dozen courts have looked at Davis’ case and refused to overturn his death sentence. He is as innocent as every other executed man since at least 1950, which is to say, guilty as hell
Angry_Exile 90p · 704 weeks ago
Incidentally, the two eyewitnesses against Gell had already accepted a plea-bargain of ten years for second degree murder in exchange for testimony against him. Despite the fact that it's now known they lied and implicated an innocent man (might be the wrong word - Gell is a criminal, just not a killer) to hide their guilt they do not appear to be on death row in North Carolina. I'd call that a lose-lose.
Gary K. · 704 weeks ago
jimfryar 34p · 704 weeks ago
What sort of creep would allow a man to be executed in order to avoid being proven wrong?