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Friday, 30 September 2011

I predict (not) a riot

After what happened in Britain early last month it'll be interesting to see what happens in Sydney as a result of this.
Five police officers surround a car, a number of them with their weapons pointed at a man who was reportedly driving around Sydney streets armed with a gun yesterday.
Moments later, the gunman was dead. Police won't say whether officers or the man fired first - or whether the man fired at all - nor reveal how many shots were fired.
[...]
The drama unfolded on Castle St, Castle Hill, about 12.45pm after a 000 caller told police of a man armed with a gun driving on Showground Rd. Minutes later, the Toyota Hilux was spotted at the intersection of Pennant and Castle Sts, near the police station.
Plainclothed officers ran from the station, and Assistant Commissioner Denis Clifford said there was a confrontation with the driver and a number of shots were fired.
[...]
A handgun was removed from the vehicle and placed on the nearby median strip.
As Australian police are routinely armed and in most states are often equipped with tasers as well these sort of incidents are probably more common here. In fact Sydney police shot a guy in his own home only a couple of days ago, apparently as the result of a misunderstanding. And of course Sydney can riot as well as the next city, as the 2005 Cronulla riots showed. Still, despite the fact that so far it appears to share a few things in common with the Mark Duggan shooting in London (not in the race of the dead man because that's not been made public yet and he could be Mr Average White Guy for all we know right now, but just in that police quickly surrounded a car, shot an occupant and recovered a gun) I don't think the shops of Pitt Street Mall are going to need to rush out to buy window boarding before the first wave of looters hits because I don't think anything's going to happen.

And I can't really put my finger on why. I don't think it's because this does happen a bit more with armed cops about and that people are blase about it - in fact if you think about it in terms of incidents per X number of 'police hours armed' it's probably quite rare, and possibly rarer than in countries where the police are not all armed all the time (ironically the last coppers I saw before I left the UK were wandering around with MP5s and a semi-auto pistol each). Perhaps it's just that I don't get the same feeling of them and us with Australian police, or at least not to the same extent as in the UK.

That might not be at all representative of the thoughts of Aussies but it's the way I see it, so my feeling is that people will watch and wait and see what comes up as a result of the investigation. If it had happened in Britain right now I reckon people would already be pulling garden walls apart for the bricks.

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Interesting! Inspector Gadget would say that it's because of the armed police, and therefore all police should be armed, no doubt.

Perhaps it's the demographics? I seem to remember from Tim Blair's reporting at the time that Cronulla is somewhat similar to Croydon in that sense, being high-immigrant, low-income areas with problems of gun and gang violence. Perhaps Castle Hill isn't?
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As I think I've mentioned before, I'm fine with police being routinely armed - it's the routine disarming of law abiding citizens that I disagree with. All the same, if Gadget said that I'd call bullshit because the police here have alway been armed and it that didn't prevent Cronulla. I don't know Castle Hill but since it wasn't necessarily where the dead guy was from but simply where he happened to be when the police turned up (outside the local nick, even) I don't think the local demographic would have much to do with it either. Even if it was one of the rougher suburbs, or if the dead guy was from a rough suburb, I still don't think there'd be a riot. It's really hard to put my finger on why but there just doesn't seem to be that kind of appetite for destruction and rampant me-ism that saw A- grade students in the UK joining in and helping themselves to whatever wasn't nailed down.

Probably lots of little factors rather than one thing, but I think they're all aspects of being more or less on the same side. There just doesn't feel like there's quite the same 'them and us' divisions as in Britain, or at least not as strong. Hell, even the Collingwood fans didn't smash up the city last night after they lost the Grand Final, and if there's a 'them and us' in Oz then it's between Collingwood and literally everyone else who watches footy. Everyone jokes about how feral Collingwood supporters are but there was nothing like what went on in Vancouver after that ice hockey final a few months ago. It's very odd because the same sort of idiots playing the same kind of identity politics run both countries.

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