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Tuesday, 26 July 2011

Further thoughts on Anders Behring Breivik

NORWEGIAN mass killer Anders Behring Breivik claims he is part of a network of up to 80 ''solo martyr cells'' of people wanting to overthrow Western governments that tolerate Islam.
Firstly I'm willing to bet that this boast of dozens more just like him is a complete fantasy, so-called links to the English Defence League notwithstanding. They may share some common opinions, though I very much doubt that shooting unarmed innocents because they don't share your politics is one of them. So this network of solo martyr cells is probably at best some people he's met who he's convinced himself will do something similar once he'd got the ball rolling, and in all likelihood those people are all sitting aghast at the thought that they'd once been in a room with someone who'd become a mass murderer. In short these cells almost certainly don't exist outside of Breivik's own head, though you can expect that many police forces will be looking very hard to be sure and many politicians will be looking at this as an opportunity for a bit of a crackdown on the EDL and others who share any of Breivik's opinions. The worry there is that in 1,500 pages of writing, some of which has apparently been lifted from other sources (including the Unabomber, FFS - another complete fucknuts), there might be things he's said that I agree with (or not - I honestly don't know since I haven't read a single word), and I'm damn sure I'm not I'm not a cell. I've agreed with parts of Labour and Conservative manifestos and not voted for either because I disagreed with enough of both - a few thoughts in common does not a supporter make and more than agreeing with the sixth commandment makes one a Christian.

The other thought about Breivik (or is it Berhring Breivik? Anyone know?) is that with all this background about him coming out - mention of a privileged upbringing and being a mollycoddled mother's boy being just two that headline links that I didn't click - there's one missing and which I suspect will stay missing. We're not hearing anything from the ex-girlfriends, and I'm not holding my breath since a bloke who craves what might be called 'the tactical look' and likes to pose with a rifle with all sorts of torches and accessories and a bayonet attached probably didn't have one.

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I think that's the worry in that a lot of people will see this and then turn very paranoid over anyone that's different, not withstanding that there are millions of 'different' people out there, many with "very right-wing" opinions, who like all sorts of odd/weird stuff that the majority might consider to be a bit 'nuts' who'd never remotely do anything like that.

Doesn't mean any of us (apart from an extreme, extreme, extreme minority) would consider opening fire on unarmed civilians in a rage to be right though. And anyone who does seriously consider that OK is best avoided.
If he'd claimed he was getting messages from God or from little green men, would the Vatican or NORAD be consulted?

But I did find the idea that he needed to be held incommunicado (in case he passed on 'coded messages' to his mythical cells) rather amusing, given that the authorities had released his 1500 page manifesto. What, they're absolutely certain there's no coded messages in that, are they?

If so, how?
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Good point. There's probably no way of knowing.
Like Paul I am convinced that there are many more like him, but they will not go to the same lengths to make their point. Thankfully. The EDL links are tenuous, at best. It was almost a pleasure to see Paxman get his arse kicked by their leader last night. The Final Redoubt has the clip.

He is a smoker too. I expect the Righteous to seize on that at any time to push their cause.

A nasty business. I pray it is not repeated soon, but logic dictates that it will.

CR.
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Depends on what 'like him' means. He seems to think it means people prepared to commit acts of violence against unarmed people that are perceived as being to blame for whatever grievances are gripping their shit. I think there are probably very few, and on the same scale as Breivik himself as close to zero as makes no difference. If we're talking about people whose shit is being gripped by some of the same things as Breivik's then yes there are more like him, but if they're not going on killing sprees they're not going to be as like him as he probably hopes.
I've spent quite a lot of time in Norway and.putting what I've seen and heard about Breivik through my own tuned reality filter - in a Norwegian context he doesn't come out that odd - I've seen superficially worse / weirder that haven't taken the sparking wires in their heads to such murderous lengths.

Remember, the Scaninavians are Vikings. Being "intelligent" doesn't inoculate you from doing stupid things or thinking stupid thoughts - and that obviously applies to both sides. It's one of life's minor miracles in my view that there haven't been more unpleasant incidents in Scandinavia regarding immigration - I frankly expected Sweden to kick off before Norway.

As far as immigration goes the ruling parties have been trying to fit a quart into a pint pot and it is causing significant trouble out in the communities that are saddled with dealing with it - then, when they complain... they are told haughtily that they're racists . Do that enough times and you're going to create a constituency of pretty ticked off people who are going to take the law into their own hands - which has been happening at a low level, tamped down by an ostrich like media.

All this is set to run a while yet in an assortment of different forms. I just hope that it's not too late for issues to be resolved without more significant blood being spilt.

What a mess...
Agree with your analysis of these 'many solo groups' and I suspect he's eagerly awaiting stories of the other ones kicking off across Europe this week to follow his lead. He's going to be very disappointed.

You say you haven't looked at what he's written (and copied) and I quite understand that. But I *have* started reading his manifesto and your comment about occasional bits in it being logical or sensible is right. In much the same way as a stopped clock is right twice a day, its inevitable *some stuff* is going to make sense. Plenty of raving bollocks in there to pad out the majority of what I've read so far though.
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Yeah, the stopped clock was exactly what I was thinking of. The way I see it is nobody talks bollocks all the time and even hateful, mad or simply incredibly stupid people occasionally get it right even if it's just by accident. Doesn't mean we suddenly have to think of them as nice, sane or sensible, or that the rest of what they have to say has any worth.
Of all the places one wouldn't expect to see a balanced take on the Norway business, The Guardian....

Simon Jenkins kind of nails it . The telling part - that I wasn't aware of was that reform of the Norwegian political system has been stalled since the report he alludes to was delivered (2004). It's the kind of analysis (the report) that restores my faith in people. It remains to be seen if the political parties can have their fingers prised off the subsidies and constipation of PR eased....hopefully moving the implementation of government moved away from ideology to practicality.

Good luck with that Norway.

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