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Saturday, 7 May 2011

Democracy's nasty secret

It's been said often enough - democracy is the worst possible system of government apart from all the others, it's two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner, it's the tyranny of the majority or in Britain, as I've seen pointed out on several blogs, it's even a tyranny of the minority. We got a reminder of that earlier this week from Max Farquar's drawing attention to Nadine Dorries' Sex Education (Required Content) Bill.
A Bill to require schools to provide certain additional sex education to girls aged between 13 and 16; to provide that such education must include information and advice on the benefits of abstinence from sexual activity; and for connected purposes.
Which is probably what you'd expect from a god botherer who's found the bit in the Bible that says 'Thou shalt not enjoy a good shag' - which I think I must have missed what with all the other sex and violence in there - but given her unusual definition of what was her main home for expenses purposes may have overlooked the bit in Exodus which says 'Thou shalt not raise a false report'.*

Normally I'd suggest going and reading the post but Max has included a YouTube clip of Nadine's dribbling introduction of the Bill without much in the way of health warnings about how much brain damage you'll get from listening to it. You can read it in Hansard if you prefer or just take my word for it and don't play the clip. In any case it's not needed for Max's main point, which is that while this demented hypocrite was introducing her Bill for yet more fucking It's-All-For-Your-Own-Good legislation nearly 520 MPs chose to be somewhere else.**

Perhaps they'd all heard Nadine speaking before?

That meant that in the end only 128 MPs voted on Mad Nad's Bill and it ended up passing by 6 votes. Yes, sure, it's only a Private Members' Bill and very few of them ever make it all the way to Mrs Queen's in tray for her signature, but the point is that yet another bit of nannying passed its first reading with the support of 67 MPs - barely 10% of them. And that's not the end of the bad news because I decided to take a look at those 67 MPs to see how many people had voted for them.***

And the answer is that since more than half of them represent marginal seats - with majorities as lows as 54 some are very marginal indeed - between them they polled only 1,495,459 votes last May. That is just barely over 5% and even then assumes that every last one of those 1,495,459 votes were from people who voting for those candidates. In reality we know that there are a lot of people who would vote for the bullet ridden, fish bitten, decaying corpse of Osama Bin Liner if someone stuck their favourite colour rosette on first, while others, I reckon especially in marginals, don't actually want the person they're voting for so much as they want to keep the main opponent out. How many is hard to say but from personal observation I reckon it could be as many a third, but even being conservative and saying, oh, a fifth, that makes five percent into just four. But let's say I'm being unfair and that it's really just a few thousand, the point remains that this latest bit of nanny statism passed its first Commons reading thanks to the support of barely a tenth of MPs who themselves had the support of less than a twentieth of the electorate.

And that, ladies and gents, is how a democracy works. It's not the tyranny of the majority and even the tyranny of the minority doesn't paint the full picture. Nope, it's actually worse than that. Democracy, at least as practiced in the UK, can mean tyranny of as few as five percent.

Shit, isn't it?


* Not kidding, Exodus 23-1, that's really what it says.
** That's allowing for a couple of tellers for each side and of course the Squeaker who only votes if there's a tie.
*** There's also a little bit of bad news for esteemed libertarian, anti-nanny stater and jewel thief, Dick Puddlecote. Sorry to break it to you, DP, but your blog mascot Philip Davies was one of the 67 who voted for this. You'd have hoped he'd advocate the same kind of personal responsibility and non-nannying approach he quite rightly takes towards booze and tobacco, wouldn't you?

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Which of course means that apartheid in South Africa was more popular (had more people voting for it/supporting it) in terms of the electorate than what we have now here in the UK.

That's… screwed up.
1 reply · active 725 weeks ago
That comparison hadn't occurred to me. Christ, that puts it in some perspective.
There are two parallel arguments running here. That voting can be the tyranny of the majority. That it can be the tyranny of the most active minority. That it can be the plaything of those who understand the obscure and arcane rules best.

And, utterly separately, that Nadine is nailed on nuts.

Great post AE, but the two things need both a cartridge of silver bullets and a padded cell. I'll help out with either although I suspect Mad Nad is the easier target.
1 reply · active 725 weeks ago
The kindest way to deal with the world's Mad Nads is to put them in an ivory tower, tell them they're in charge and let them make as many decrees as they want. Just don't actually implement any or tell the poor dears that nobody is taking any notice.
Possibly one of the worst examples is here where Gillard is attempting to control pokies because one green independent who is propping up her government has an obsession about it.

The great irony is that the only reason he is in parliament is that the Liberals decided that anything was better than Labor and helped elect Greens rather that the slightly saner and less extreme Labor Party. Sometimes what appears to be a good idea at the time comes back to bite you in the arse.
3 replies · active 725 weeks ago
The pokies thing is one of many on my blogging back burner. As for Nick Xenophon, I think I've generally been too busy slagging off Stephen Conroy to turn my attention to anyone else in the Senate but a nannying anti-betting wowser is certainly deserving of some flak. And you're quite right about what the way he got in says about democracy - to me it's a very strong argument to never, ever, ever vote above the line and to spend an hour or two a week or so in advance working out your own preferences. Mind you, I would have done that anyway just because I wanted to put Stephen Conroy last. I feel it'd be better if OPV was used and the above the line crap done away with. I really didn't have 64 preferences last year - I just wanted to vote LDP, followed by The Sex Party and other libertarian leaning types, and ideally I'd have chosen to discard my vote if all of them were eliminated before giving it to a prick like Conroy. Not having that option I did it in Excel and started with the LDP at the top and Conroy at the bottom, and then spent a couple of hours on the web working out the order in between. What a way to run a railroad, eh?
My proudest boasts of the LDP senate campaign are:

(1) I did better than we did last time,
(2) Out of 60 Candidates, I was the fifth last to be knocked out, and
(3) When that happened, my preferences put the Sex Party ahead of Family First.
(1) and especially (2) are impressive. Nice work. If you'd put FF and the Sex Party the other way round I'd have assumed you'd gone mad. :D
It's like any system; it works best if everyone takes part and does their bit.

This is a failure of the whips to ensure that their MPs do the damned job they are elected to do. Any changes should be focussing on that.
1 reply · active 725 weeks ago
... it works best if everyone takes part and does their bit.

I'm not sure if you're referring to democracy in general or the bit of it that goes on in Westminster in particular. If the former then I have to say the idea of making sure it really is the tyranny of the majority doesn't impress me. As I've pointed out, compulsory voting does achieve that here in Oz and frankly the results are no better. On the other hand if you're talking about Parliament, and from your remark about the Whips not being up to par makes me think you are, then you certainly have a point. I'd have to check but I suspect Private Members' Bills are probably not whipped by Parliamentary convention or some such bollocks. Whether we proles would always benefit from a change there is another matter. It could be whipped in either direction, and since The Forehead has just as high opinion of his ability to divine what's best for 60 million people as Mad Nad herself it might well end up working against individual liberty. I'm not sure what the answer is though I quite like the idea someone once came up with that every new piece of legislation must be accompanied by the repeal of something else.

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